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TLV - Fourth Wall Permissions
What is Fourth Walling?
Having characters from so many universes, it's hard to determine which pop culture references are acceptable, and which are not. For example, everybody knows Star Wars. It's a pretty famous series, endlessly quotable, with a lovable cast of characters. But once these characters cease to become fictions for others in the game, we can run into problems. How much can you, John Smith, know about Luke Skywalker? What is acceptable to tell him (or to even know about him), and what isn't? Some characters are avid pop culture nuts, and it would be helpful to let them know what they can and can't know about your character-- if anything at all!
While we expect there to be 4th Walling for characters of certain series, please be respectful of other players' wishes.
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(500) Days of Summer
→ Summer Finn //
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im_sid ↳ Permissions
A
Aladdin
→ Mozenrath //
mightymorbid ↳ Permissions
Alan Wake
→ Alan Wake //
waketerror ↳ Permissions
Andromeda
→ Gaheris Rhade //
majorum_pride↳ Pemissions
Animorphs
→ Cassie //
lovefornature ↳ Permissions
→ David //
sixthanimorph ↳ Permissions
Avatar: The Last Airbender
→ Iroh //
grand_lotus ↳ Permissions
→ Zuko //
restoringhonor ↳ Permissions
B
Baccano!
→ Lua Klein //
dovehearted ↳ Permissions
Battlestar Galactica
→ Dr Gaius Baltar //
to_be_caprican ↳ Permissions
Black Jack
→ Black Jack //
dark_surgeonx ↳ Permissions
Blood and Smoke
→ Tony Foster //
tadwizard ↳ Permissions
Bloodrayne
→ Rayne //
rayney_day ↳ Permissions
The Bourne Series
→ Jason Bourne //
brokenweapon ↳ Permissions
Breaking Bad
→ Jesse Pinkman //
yeahscience ↳ Permissions
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
→ Buffy Summers //
aboutpower↳ Permissions
C
Carmilla (novel)
→ Mircalla Karnstein //
languorously ↳ Permissions
Castle Waiting
→ Sister Peaceful Warren //
solicitinerules ↳ Permissions
Chuck
→ Chuck Bartowski //
scruffynerdhrdr ↳ Permissions
The Curse Workers
→ Barron Sharpe //
sharpememory↳ Permissions
D
DarkGlass Mountain
→ Ravenna //
marsh_witch↳ Permissions
DC Universe
→ Cissie King-Jones //
notarrowette ↳ Permissions
→ Dick Grayson //
batmanschmatman ↳ Permissions
→ Edward Nygma //
puzzleprince ↳ Permissions
→ Jaime Reyes/Blue Beetle //
beetleboyblue ↳ Permissions
→ Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow //
doctor_j_crane ↳ Permissions
→ Slade Wilson //
terminates ↳ Permissions
→ Tim Drake //
peektuttut ↳ Permissions
→ Warren White //
warrenwhite ↳ Permissions
The Devil's Backbone
→ Dr Caesares //
iam_aghost ↳ Permissions
Discworld
→ Captain Angua von Uberwald //
uberwaldian ↳ Permissions
Doctor Who
→ The Doctor (Four) //
doctor_scarf ↳ Permissions
→ The Doctor (Seven) //
championoftime ↳ Permissions
→ Irving Braxiatel //
archmanipulator ↳ Permissions
→ Narvin //
timesbureaucrat ↳ Permissions
→ Omega //
rass_bestie ↳ Permissions
→ Rassilon //
times_creator↳ Permissions
Dragon Age
→ Morrigan //
tis_disapproval↳ Permissions
Dragonlance
→ Raistlin Majere //
hourglass_twin ↳ Permissions
The Dresden Files (Books)
→ Molly Carpenter //
goodgrasshopper ↳ Permissions
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Easy A
→ Olive Penderghast //
worstsongever ↳ Permissions
F
Fable
→ Reaver //
tatty_bye ↳ Permissions
The Factory
→ Prefect //
buywithme ↳ Permissions
Fahrenheit 451
→ Captain Beatty //
happinessboys↳ Permissions
FreakAngels
→ Arkady //
can_has_vodka ↳ Permissions
From Dusk Till Dawn
→ Richard Gecko //
notafuckingnut ↳ Permissions
Fullmetal Alchemist
→ Sloth //
momunculus ↳ Permissions
G
G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra
→ Ana Lewis/The Baroness //
seeyaduke ↳ Permissions
→ Cobra Commander/Rex Lewis //
stopthat_destro ↳ Permissions
Gundam Wing
→ Heero Yuy //
result_of_war↳ Permissions
H
Hannibal/Red Dragon
→ Hannibal Lecter //
cannibalmind ↳ Permissions
→ Will Graham //
grahamcommawill ↳ Permissions
Harry Potter
→ Lucius Malfoy //
truemask ↳ Permissions
→ Severus Snape //
emptyyourself ↳ Permissions
→ Sirius Black //
sirius_is_a_dog↳ Permissions
Heroes
→ Claire Bennet //
some_kinda_hero ↳ Permissions
→ Isaac Mendez //
future_games ↳ Permissions
His Dark Materials
→ Will Parry //
becauseheswill ↳ Permissions
Homestuck
→ John Egbert //
inheritors↳ Permissions
→ Vriska Serket //
itsaserket↳ Permissions
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Inception
→ Ariadne //
buildindreemz ↳ Permissions
→ Arthur //
paradoxlol ↳ Permissions
Infected
→ Perry Dawsey //
hatestriangles ↳ Permissions
Isaac Asimov's Robots series
→ Vasilia Aliena //
no_fastolfe ↳ Permissions
J
Jackie Chan Adventures
→ Valmont //
plz_gtfo_dragon ↳ Permissions
Jeeves and Wooster
→ Bertie Wooster //
helpmejeeves↳ Permissions
Jurisdiction
→ Brachi Stildyne //
der_umgekehrte↳ Permissions
K
Kim Possible
→ Shego //
gotgreenmagic ↳ Permissions
L
Lost
→ John Locke //
justareverie↳ Permissions
M
Marvel Universe
→ Emil Blonsky //
givemeafight ↳ Permissions
→ Luke Cage //
notiaraincluded ↳ Permissions
→ Threnody //
shallnotreturn ↳ Permissions
→ Wanda Maximoff //
scarlet_discord↳ Permissions
Men in Black
→ Agent K //
mib_agent_k ↳ Permissions
Merlin
→ Merlin //
takeyouapart ↳ Permissions
Michael Moorcock's Multiverse
→ Una Persson //
mrs_persson ↳ Permissions
Murdoch Mysteries
→ George Crabtree //
19centconstable↳ Permissions
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Nineteen Eighty-Four
→ Stephen O'Brien //
equalsfive ↳ Permissions
O
Only Fools and Horses
→ Roy Slater //
thinkb4ublink ↳ Permissions
Othello
→ Iago //
inhumandog ↳ Permissions
The Outsiders
→ Dallas Winston //
failed_bluff ↳ Permissions
P
Practical Magic
→ Frances Owens //
get_thebook↳ Permissions
The Pretender
→ Miss Parker //
you_run_i_chase ↳ Permissions
Profit
→ Jim Profit //
raisedinabox ↳ Permissions
Prose Edda
→ Loki //
lotoftrouble ↳ Permissions
Prototype
→ Alex Mercer //
theviralsource ↳ Permissions
Q
Quills
→ The Marquis de Sade //
impure_tale ↳ Permissions
R
Reservoir Dogs
→ Freddy Newendyke/Mr Orange //
frickinbaretta ↳ Permissions
→ Mr Pink //
likeprofesional ↳ Permissions
Rome
→ Atia of the Julii //
veni_vidi_valui ↳ Permissions
S
Saw
→ Amanda Young //
creatingalegacy ↳ Permissions
The Scarlet Pimpernel
→ Armand St. Just //
young_idealist ↳ Permissions
Shades of Grey
→ Jane Brunswick //
thebestnose ↳ Permissions
Sherlock (BBC)
→ Jim Moriarty //
consultcriminal ↳ Permissions
→ Sherlock Holmes //
byronicsherlock ↳ Permissions
Sherlock Holmes (1984 - 1994 Granada Adaptation)
→ Sherlock Holmes //
so_meretricious ↳ Permissions
A Song of Ice and Fire
→ Arya Stark //
dont_tell_sansa ↳ Permissions
→ Jon Snow //
snownotstark ↳ Permissions
→ Viserys Targaryen //
wakethedragon ↳ Permissions
Sorcerer’s Apprentice
→ Drake Stone//
flashy_magic ↳ Permissions
Star Trek
→ General Chang //
general_chang ↳ Permissions
→ Captain James T. Kirk //
captain_jtkirk ↳ Permissions
→ Doctor Leonard McCoy //
doesnttrusttech ↳ Permissions
→ Seven of Nine //
not_annika ↳ Permissions
→ Spock //
frompurelogic ↳ Permissions
→ T'Pol //
with_discipline ↳ Permissions
Sunshine
→ Robert Capa //
ourlastbesthope ↳ Permissions
T
Tamora Pierce's Tortall series
→ Master Lord Thom of Trebond //
giftedtwin ↳ Permissions
Terminator
→ John Connor //
metallonkardia↳ Permissions
→ Sarah Connor //
terminatefate↳ Permissions
→ T-X //
t_x_unit↳ Permissions
Torchwood
→ Jilly Kitzinger //
jillykitzinger ↳ Permissions
→ Owen Harper //
owenbeatsdeath ↳ Permissions
→ Toshiko Sato //
hopeless_hacker ↳ Permissions
Tron
→ CLU 2.0 //
systmadmin ↳ Permissions
→ Rinzler //
ifightfor↳ Permissions
→ Kevin Flynn //
paranoidcreator↳ Permissions
U
V
Van Helsing
→ Aleera //
fanged_aleera ↳ Permissions
→ Dracula //
feels_no_love↳ Permissions
Venture Bros.
→ 21 //
twoton21 ↳ Permissions
W
Warcraft
→ King Arthas Menethil //
darknessb4me ↳ Permissions
→ Highlord Tirion Fordring //
bybloodandhonor ↳ Permissions
→ Vanessa VanCleef //
lifeafterhope↳ Permissions
The West Wing
→ Josiah "Jed" Bartlet //
nobelprez ↳ Permissions
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Last updated: 11/8/11
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Series: The Scarlet Pimpernel (and sequels) by Baroness Orczy
Fourth Wall?: short answer=yes, it's okay
Restrictions: Just this basically: if it's reasonable for your character to recognize him (see below), go right ahead but don't outright say, "Oi, you're fictional!" If the books end up in the Library, he'll figure it out eventually himself because of Orczy's horrible gaffe with his age, but if you recognize him, he'll just assume there's some historical information (or even fictional adaptations) running around in the modern world about Percy and the League. I'd like him to think that as long as possible.
Additional Notes:Please keep the following in mind. There are references to the Scarlet Pimpernel or the League of the Scarlet Pimpernel in other media and stories. The only big ones that come to my mind at the moment are Daffy Duck's The Scarlet Pumpernickel, Blackadder the Third's "Nob and Nobility" and the Blakeneys are included in a portrait in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I believe. And even though Wikipedia won't let people say it, the Pimpernel was the forerunner to all the secret-identity type superheroes. Zorro was blatantly the same story transferred to Spanish colonial California, and Bruce Wayne/Batman as a rich man righting wrongs are the most obvious.
The original book is often assigned as high school reading. Probably only a real bibliophile, someone who lived through the era they were originally published, or a hardcore fan will have read Eldorado. If your character encountered it during school, then they would likely know very little about Armand, and would mistakenly expect him to be nearly a decade older than he is. Certainly, only his name would ring a faint bell of recognition as Marguerite's brother. A few from the later 20th century and beyond may also know the musical, which bore little resemblance to the main plot, but featured Armand as a young, naive member of the League whose arrest spurs Marguerite into spying for Chauvelin, etc.
As for appearances, Armand does look remarkably like Malcolm Jamieson (as I chose him for the icons), except for a few obvious differences -- I think he's shorter by an inch or so (can't find Jamieson's actual height but he's not that much shorter than Anthony Andrews), much younger, has blue-gray eyes not dark, and does have the scar on his forehead that he earned late in Eldorado, which Jamieson does not, even later in the film because the crisis is resolved differently. Jamieson is not a famous enough actor for it to be likely Armand would be mistaken for him or any of the other characters he's played. (More details here (http://damned.wetpaint.com/page/The+Scarlet+Pimpernel), if you really want. It's a wiki entry I made for another game but details most media references to Armand and places to find the books to read.)